tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post4070352487837615879..comments2024-02-03T08:17:24.123-06:00Comments on Loud Time: David A. Zimmerman's Blog of Miscellany: Maybe Poverty Isn't the ProblemDavid Zimmermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04736122606687383813noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-75738741192540513962011-03-09T05:40:21.012-06:002011-03-09T05:40:21.012-06:00I am not a Franciscan, but they are my favorite re...I am not a Franciscan, but they are my favorite religious order! It is weird, that as a Dave Zimmerman type guy who has two computers, more than three chairs, two cars and plenty of junk - I am constantly trying to rid myself of stuff. However, I am right now in the process of getting to Ethiopia to supply them with more stuff? Nice work Dave and everyone who posted!TBonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17272145579127559528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-85660943810152974952011-03-08T09:45:01.356-06:002011-03-08T09:45:01.356-06:00Dan always says things WAY better than I can. (Ma...Dan always says things WAY better than I can. (Make note, Dave, he's a writer too).<br /><br />The only thing I would add is that, while in no way advocating for abject poverty, I do find it interesting that the truest communities often emerge out of abject poverty. In part, I believe it has to do with the lack of pretense & self-emptying that it often demands.Jamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-72133668515477142062011-03-08T05:40:44.943-06:002011-03-08T05:40:44.943-06:00Super helpful. Thanks!Super helpful. Thanks!David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736122606687383813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-30263490372397090292011-03-07T22:08:28.257-06:002011-03-07T22:08:28.257-06:00Thanks for your excellent post! The elusive quali...Thanks for your excellent post! The elusive quality of the Christian life and the model of the Franciscan tradition is seen in your post as it is in so many lives of those who wish to follow in the footprints of Christ as Francis did, but struggle to do that. I think your reflection is very honest and I am really grateful to have read it.<br /><br />Like Jamie, I have so much to say. So much Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-74208151505995072392011-03-07T10:50:42.377-06:002011-03-07T10:50:42.377-06:00Great post, Dave. I have so much to say, but much...Great post, Dave. I have so much to say, but much would be repeated from my book (which you've already read). I think Mark's comment rings very true too.<br /><br />One core thing that I have come to learn about community is generalized definitions rarely encompass the unique nature of true Christian community. True community in this respect is characterized by a people redemptively Jamie Arpin-Riccihttp://www.missional.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-19203064840392207762011-03-07T05:42:27.842-06:002011-03-07T05:42:27.842-06:00Nicely put, Mark--if that's your real name.Nicely put, Mark--if that's your real name.David Zimmermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04736122606687383813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19897950.post-46053218851831480102011-03-06T21:45:47.241-06:002011-03-06T21:45:47.241-06:00To put the problem aphoristically, prosperity is a...To put the problem aphoristically, prosperity is a negative value that seems wonderful, whereas community is a positive value that kind of sucks. <br /><br />What I mean to say (other than "I'm a misanthrope"), is that the kind of community that has the highest value is the kind that exacts the greatest cost. I haven't read <i>The Cost of Community,</i> so I don't know if I&Mark (but not the Mark mentioned)http://www.lovesanarchy.comnoreply@blogger.com